re my spec .

Like I told you, not only is my spec viable, most top guild's pally tank is using some form of it. I randomly armoried the ones I could think of. You shouldn't be so quick to disregard something just cause you're not familiar with it.

Method
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talen ... &gn=Method

Premonition
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... remonition

Juggernaut
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... Juggernaut

Vodka
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... s&cn=Izumi

Paragon
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talen ... gn=Paragon

Couldn't find one from Ensidia, don't think they use a pally tank.

Oh and since you didn't seem to believe what I was telling you, I believe you're friends with Stephenie
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... Domination

Only main difference is they all spec into vindication, this led me to check some of our logs and noticed we're always lacking this debuff. So we should prolly figure out who should be doing this as it will save a lot of damage. ( this is the same debuff as demo shout) I also switched from the 5 57 7 when I was mostly doing heroics, that's why I picked up SoC, just to mess around with. I was gonna respec out of it and put 1 more point into conviction, but now I'm gonna take that point and one from Conv. and get vindication.

Also, other then vindication, there's nothing between my spec and karura's or tanks that would make me take more damage. And neither of them have that talent either.

The actual logs support that. These are all our anub attempts, (when I switched to Chlovis)

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aw9z ... boss=34564

In closing, you owe me a reach around.

Fixt

Honestly it’s sad you could only find 5 pallys that use that spec. Out of the thousands of pally tanks you could only come up with 5- look at the other ones, they all use the correct spec. Not to mention, just because top guilds use it doesn’t mean its right, all through BC nihilium’s pally used HASTE, and that’s a fucking terrible thing to do period. Also 3/5 that you linked are alts, or prot is their offspec.



Stephenie has always used the wrong spec, since early BC when I met him with his old name. If / when he apps here he will need to change it.




Honestly do some napkin math. I can’t understand how you are trying to say that 4% crit and 3% more damage to some targets is going to be > 15% damage from all seals, judgements, and a ton more survivability. The 4% crit you specd into doesn’t effect SoV ticks, so the crit is moot for one of primary threat abilities. Every time you parry you still reset a mobs swing timer, having 2/5 reckoning does stack SoV faster, but ti also makes you take more damage it the long run, also considering each melee attack is roughly 30 tps its definitely not worth it to spec into 2/5 reckoning or any at all for the minimal tps increase as where you could spec into mitigation and take less damage from parries. You definitely need to have imp divine sac for the better effect and sacred shield. It’s honestly completely foolish to not spec 5/59/7. I know the pally trees are great, we have a LOT of good talents, but any other spec is sub par.




No. Improved Sacred Shield? 5% more healing taken? Come on. 2/5 reckoning STILL means you get parry gibbed more often than not having it. Linking the damage taken is irrelevant due to gear issues; you’re going to take more damage no matter what. For all of Anub healers were complaining about how hard you were to heal, partially due to spec and partially due to gear. You died more often that karura, thus less damage taken. You also managed to make more healers focus on you. As you can see on the logs 3-4 people had to heal you while the other tanks took 1-2. Also Arcano will spec into vindication so our tanks don’t need to waste points in it. I thought lawl had it. I noticed your spec was bad when you were taking so much damage. I hit inspect and my eyes started to bleed a little.



In closing, you are butthurt because I called you out on a sub par spec. Go research it, theory craft, crunch numbers, and use common sense. There’s a reason why 99% of the tanks are using the other spec; its better. As I said above, I know we have a lot of good talents, and I respec a LOT for specific fights to get one new spell, or change how points are distributed. But the facts are, people have done the math, and undoubtedly 5/59/7 is the best spec in 95% of the situations.

From EJ..

Hahaha, I though my ex wife was stubborn, man.

There's a difference between butthurt and thinking you might actually want to know more about it. I can see you don't lol. Believe me, it doesn't bother me if you don't like it.
Those were the first five guilds I thought of, I didn't even check any other guilds, funny how it was 5/5 for that spec right. And I was offering up stats, not theories...
I was merely trying to open your mind up, I don't mind if other people don't like it as I know it's a good spec and since I changed from the old spec I've really like this one.
don't really care to further this as I can see it won't go anywhere lol, we can just agree to disagree.

Cat I miss you, I get cold at night

I know a lot of it is play style as well. People view their roles differently, some tanks gems stam, some avoidance, some threat. To me tanking is the perfect mixture of all 3. To you its threat and not so much damage mitigation. Its about play style. I'm not saying your spec is wrong, I'm just saying there are other specs that have proven to be better. I actually did research it a lot, and your spec is interesting; I hadn't seen it used since early naxx days until you brought it up again. I would at least ask you to try out the other spec, if you hate it then so be it, its a game. But you might find you like it more than you would think. Edit also, it was 0/5 your spec from the 5 you linked. None of them had it dead on, just some talent coincidences. Anyways, not trying to pick at you, I just want you to be open to specs that have been researched and tested more. You immediately got defensive when I asked about it instead of at least thinking about it or trying it out.

SO MUCH TYPING